License for rhel running on vmware
Hi All,
What are the options we have to chose for purchasing licenses of rhel for VMs running on ESX.
We have a plan to setup 40 Virtual machines to run rhel.What sort of license i need to purchase ?
And we have couple of Physical Machines too.
Please share the Inputs to choose
Regards,
Siva
Responses
Siva,
It's best to get in contact with Red Hat sales or your Red Hat account manager.
Generally with VMWare, you license the entire physical server for Red Hat which entitles you to a number of RHEL guests (VMs) on that host.
With the amount of licensing options, it gets confusing very quickly.
http://www.redhat.com/f/html/partners_us_skulist.html
You need to speak to Red Hat to ensure you get what best fits your requirements.
Guru
6827 points
CTRLS,
One of the first things they'll ask/discuss is how many sockets for your systems, including the sockets on any given ESX physical host. It will help if you have a socket count in advance, how many systems will have 1-2, or 4+ sockets. They can explain this in detail.
You can get an unlimited license (ask Red Hat Sales for specifics, we have some) for virtual guests for any given physical ESX system for instance. They would want to know if that system has two or four sockets.
I certainly agree that you should contact Red Hat Sales to have them explain it and get a proper quote.
Hi CTRLS,
Last week I had the same doubt. As PixelDrift.NET stated above, the best way is to contact your Channel Manager or Sales (if you are not a RH Partner). If you can access to the partner center, there you can search for "price list" under the Content Tab. There you'll find the complete price list for any SKU that you might need.
Although I strongly recommend to contact Red Hat, I also think that the first thing you might need to know is the number of socket pairs of the physical host. Red Hat ussually arrange subscriptions by the number of socket pairs of the host. So, let see, if your physical host has 4 sockets (i.e. 4x Intel Xeon), then you will need to purchase TWO two-socket subscription for the host. This case is the simplest. But if you are planning to use a large number of VM running RHEL in a NON-RHEL host, I strongly recommend purchasing the Standard or Premium subscription of 2 sockets, unlimited virtual, no physical RHEL. That means, you pay for an unlimited VM running RHEL but no physical host running RHEL, as that's your case, because you are using VMWare as the host platform.
I think this is cheaper than any other virtualization solution when a large number of VM are running (20+ VM), just because you divide the total ammount of the annual subscription (1.999 USD) by the number of VM (30 in your case), and you get 66,63 USD per VM and year... thats pretty much cheap.
As English is not my native language, please excuse typing errors.
Hope this helps,
Kind regards,
Jorge Garcia
wtf? information to contact some individual who will respond in maybe two weeks (because the volume/amount is too small). that is not the answer i would expect in 2018. there should be a easy store where i can specify in a wizzard my wish and a basket will contain the sku which are relevant.
Guru
9615 points
"WTF" Robert ???
I already asked you twice to please stop spreading annoyances in this forum. Seems you are not able to learn or do not want to change your behavior. Well, okay, I will not repeat it again - do whatever you want. By the way, are you aware that you've responded to a 4 (four) year old post ?
maybe you can answer how to get a redhat subscription which works on vmware esxi or vmware workstation 12, where i can check container development. the subscription from developers program which would be the right choice from my perspective is not valid for that usage (i do not know if it is valid, but the subscription manager script show invalid). ---UPDATE--- I don't want to install on a physical machine. What if my physical machine is a capable notebook and essential processes must run under a non-RedHat system.
Guru
9615 points
As far as I know, the developer edition can be installed and used on vmware :
https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/hello-world/#fndtn-vmware
You can use it for container development purpose, but not for production.
For development is my purpose. I need to check deployment tools on redhat for a customer that is using redhat only. Redhat Developer Subscription is no help because it does not work. I tried already eval subscriptions all with the same result. I dont know what i am doing wrong. My assumption is that the subscription system is to complicated for its own. why not just have some key or cert which i can deploy in the installation and all is good ... If you have any hints what i am doing wrong please give me some hint. this day was just a total waste of time trying redhat (really bad experience!!!). Maybe I should convince the customer to switch to centos 7 or fedora for the deployment?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NwEj_j3HA0k0sLb6UEVwEFsWNzISO4Fb/view?usp=sharing
Guru
9615 points
What now ? Development or Deployment ? The subscription system too complicated ?
Seems that (most) other users of Red Hat systems are able to understand and use it.
Total waste of time ? Yes, you're right - only complaining is a total waste of time !
Calm down, calm down. The problem is solved. But the cause is still hidden and should be solved by Redhat. But you might ask yourself. Could you have done more than reading documentation and following instructions? Should there be another difference from "other users of Red Hat systems are able to understand and use it"? If I follow instructions and those are not working as expected the payload is on the side of the instructor! I personally try to think and work with this in mind, but I do not know how you think about that. Have a nice day and time and enjoy when things are working as expected!
Guru
9615 points
I am cool, be sure about that. My experience is that when something doesn't work as expected, the best thing to do first is searching for faults I made myself instead of crying out loud in public. Anyway, good to know that you solved your problem and this discussion finally finds an end.
Almost an end. Actually, I would have liked to make your last two sentence sound different. Searching all thoses discussions for solutions shows that I was not the only one who suffered because of this intransparent and hidden secrets process. Do you know the time it takes until the registration succeeded?
Started: "22 February 2018 11:16 AM" (somewhat earlier than) Ended "22 February 2018 8:10 PM" (registration attaching succeeded) without doing anything special or other than at Beginning. Have you ever heard of the saying time is money?
I should call the subscription system of redhat some asynchronus mess. Maybe they should introduce a bpmn with mail notfications to inform the enduser that their systems are not ready to spawn the registration attaching whatsoever needed to make a single machine work . In our days such delays without notifications ... .
Guru
9615 points
Hi Robert,
"Started: "22 February 2018 11:16 AM" Ended "22 February 2018 8:10 PM" (attaching succeeded)" :
You are right, this is an issue which unfortunately sometimes occurs - I've provided a workaround in other threads that in most cases solves it. As you can see down below, Jan Gerrit Kootstra opened a case with Red Hat in order to investigating and solving this problem. Addressing "I would have liked to make your last two sentence sound different." : You have chosen the conversation tone - not me.
Regards,
Christian
It takes a few minutes for the subscription pool to become available. Unfortunately, there is no notification to the end user of this delay leading to your frustrations in the installation process. However, your developer subscription is now available and you can use it for development purposes.
I have brought this lack of subscription activation notification to the attention of the developers website team [1] who will look into adding some notification verbiage and/or email so that users aren't left wondering why they cannot complete the registration process.
Thank you for your feedback and sorry you had to go through the frustration of not being to successfully register your system
[1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RHD-2059
Tschuss
Guru
6222 points
Hi Robert,
Did you check whether or not your subscription is on the account by which you try to register your VM? Log in with the credentials you use to register the server to https://access.redhat.com and open the subscription menu on the top left corner of the webpage.
Once you see the subscriptions you wish to use, we can check what is going wrong. If you do not see them, you must verify which login you used to request the subscriptions (Evaluation or Developer).
Regards,
Jan Gerrit Kootstra
P.S. If you flame me with replies like: "What are you thinking?" The might back fire on you. Be aware RHEL is a product with paid support and you make us help you, where do seem not pay nothing at all. Netiquette will help you.
Be aware RHEL is a product with paid support and you make us help you, where do seem not pay nothing at all. Thank you for that hint. But may be think about that: Be aware that I do just a job in helping a customer who pays a lot to redhat, who uses exclusivly redhat and he wants just that some container software is running and i try to help on that issue. for exactly that reason there is this developer program from redhat. i do not want to pay for redhat because i can use other products which just work (redhat would work too, but for some reason some components which are not really helpful, it works not!!!)
i am sure that i use the correct account and that there is an active developer subscription in my account. see video of my experience https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NwEj_j3HA0k0sLb6UEVwEFsWNzISO4Fb/view?usp=sharing
it is just like in this other discussion, maybe next day it will work. https://access.redhat.com/discussions/1536823
and as some comments say, redhat should not be the choice for development, better do it with centos and without this subscription hell. maybe you know the principal of the dev-prod-parity in modern development. maybe it is time to say good bye redhat, i cannot wait for problem solving.
Guru
9615 points
"better do it with centos and without this subscription hell ... maybe it is time to say good bye redhat"
Great idea, Robert ! The CentOS guys (as part of the Red Hat family) are waiting for someone like you.
Guru
6222 points
I am far too old to understand dev-prod. I come from a time of the dev-test-accept-prod paradigma.
I would compare your issue with the way Windows works, you buy a box with Windows 10, you install it and with registering the installation you think Windows Updates works. If the registration fails, you do not call Microsoft, but start to complain on their customer forum.
Guru
6222 points
>I should call the subscription system of redhat some asynchronus mess. Maybe they should introduce a bpmn with mail >notfications to inform the enduser that their systems are not ready to spawn the registration attaching whatsoever needed >to make a single machine work . In our days such delays without notifications ... .Robert Rettig
Almost an end. Actually, I would have liked to make your last two sentence sound different. Searching all thoses discussions >for solutions shows that I was not the only one who suffered because of this intransparent and hidden secrets process. Do >you know the time it takes until the registration succeeded?
Started: "22 February 2018 11:16 AM" (somewhat earlier than) Ended "22 February 2018 8:10 PM" (registration attaching >succeeded) without doing anything special or other than at Beginning. Have you ever heard of the saying time is money?
End quote.
Hi Robert,
This a real issue that needs to be addressed by Red Hat, so I will create a support case this.
Regards,
Jan Gerrit Kootstra
Guru
6222 points
I launched a management escalation, hoping they will looking into this processflow issue.
Guru
6222 points
Hi Robert,
I have had contact with a Red Hat escalation manager and a Red Hat duty manager of support and they take your remarks very seriously. The duty manager will raise management awareness to get the lack of notifications fixed.
Regards,
Jan Gerrit Kootstra
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