Add Cinnamon Desktop Environment to RHEL8.
Environment
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.0
Issue
- Include Cinnamon Desktop Environment in RHEL8.
Resolution
- Cinnamon will not be shipped with RHEL 8
Root Cause
Cinnamon provides a metaphor closer to what users are used to... an Applications drop-down or pop-up menu, a traditional application task bar, and traditional applications on the desktop. Cinnamon leverages the Gnome 3 shell and still provides users with the Desktop experience they have come to expect.
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33 Comments
We explicitly wish to support this request. GNOME 3 provides a horrendous user experience and lacks everything our professional users expect. Even in classic mode there is no classic workspace grid with miniature outlines of your desktops, there are no context menus in many places where you'd expect them and the Desktop is not a proper Desktop where you can store things you are currently working with. Also the lack of something so simple as a minimize button is not even remotely understandable. The mere fact that a certain UI concept is old does not make it bad. GNOME 3 tries to do things different for the sake of being different, and it will eventually die because of that, just as Unity did. Cinnamon is much more sane in that regard and it MUST come as an alternative to GNOME 3, otherwise we will have to consider to move away from RHEL based Workstations and servers because of unacceptable user experience.
You tell'em Michael.
I can't figure out why Gnome3 is becoming the default for most Distros in Linux. It is not the future. Cinnamon is the best DE available today. XFCE is second.
Fully agree.
While not as anti-GNOME3 as Michael, I agree that many users will dislike GNOME3 due to how differently many things are done. I suggest adding KDE, xfce, cinnamon, and perhaps MATE options during install down the road as standard desktop options.
I also agree that an alternative desktop environment is a great idea. I use several Linux distributions and will say that I definitely prefer Cinnamon to anything else. Since I use Fedora for testing and RHEL for work, having a more user-friendly desktop environment will be a value-add for Red Hat.
I am running RHEL 8.1 with Gnome 3 and shame no Cinnamon. I also run Fedora 29 & 31 with Gnome 3 and Cinnamon and I am happy with it. My company provided laptop run RHEL 7.7 with Cinnamon and I am happy with it.
I understand you may have issue with the current RHEL v8, I fail to understand why you can not give a timeline when Cinnamon will be integrated with a future version of RHEL!
The response of "Cinnamon will not be shipped with RHEL 8" is basically just saying "we're not gonna do it and we don't care about you." Had you (Red Hat) at least provided some reasoning behind your decision, it might have been less of a slap in the face. People aren't demanding you change the default, merely that you add some reasonable options, even 3rd-party ones with a rider that such solutions would be unsupported or something.
Not having Cinnamon keeps me on Fedora (cinnamon spin), while I would like to use RHEL for support by JumpCloud.
I subscribe for RH 8 so I can have a supported Desktop environment like KDE or MAE or Cinnamon available.
looks like they are not supporting any of them going forward. GNOME 3 is horrible. to me it is same as windows 10 interface which is radically different for no reason other being different . Redhat should commit to supporting KDE and GNOME/MATE at least top 3 desktop distributions. It is not right an is making move away to Debian
Xfce and Cinnamon on RHEL as 3rd party solution is a must. I think Red Hat should consider it, or from at least EPEL. It's sad actually.
One more vote, if you're counting, for Cinnamon.
Gnome 3 is a never ending train wreck that can't be fixed with gnome-tweaks.
Respectfully request adding Cinnamon as an alternate to the Gnome Desktop.
Thank you.
One more vote for Cinnamon.
Please add Cinnamon desktop to RH8!
Instead, the instructions on how to install cinnamon desktop environment should had been provided here.
Very misleading issue status, as obviously a soution is not in progress.
Cinnamon is both very intuitive to use and light enough to perform on smaller machines like a Jetson Nano. It's a universal desktop language across many Linux variants and those who also operate Windows or Android desktops.
Not supporting it is a serios downgrade from R7 and since when does it pay off to annoy your customers?
Add Cinnamon to RHEL please!
Please add Cinnamon.
Some robot asked me to view an update to "A solution in progress (...will be completed soon...)", when clearly there is no solution planned. Please do not also disappoint by mismanaging issue states.
Red Hat, 'SOLUTION VERIFIED' is misleading since the reported user experience problems have not been solved. The prior 'SOLUTION IN PROGRESS' wasn't any more accurate.
Please be honest and update the status to something along the lines of 'will not fix'.
Gnome 3 is the worst desktop I have ever used. Why are alternative desktops being stripped out of CentOS? The whole point of Linux is user control and configurability. Gnome and Redhat seem to be moving sharply away from this paradigm, instead choosing what users will be able to install and how users will be allowed to configure their system.
Please make alternative desktops available.
Announcing that Cinnamon isn't supported hardly qualifies as a "solution."
Hello, I thought this would provide steps to install Cinnamon DE to RHEL 8 but nonetheless. I guess many desktop users find Gnome 3 to be a very different experience than what they used to find in Gnome 2x versions.While it might be good for few , I feel majority still prefers the older way . Hence I second the opinion to provide support for MATE or XFCE or Cinnamon for RHEL 8.
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We explicitly wish to support this request. GNOME 3 provides a horrendous user experience and lacks everything our professional users expect. Even in classic mode there is no classic workspace grid with miniature outlines of your desktops, there are no context menus in many places where you'd expect them and the Desktop is not a proper Desktop where you can store things you are currently working with. Also the lack of something so simple as a minimize button is not even remotely understandable. The mere fact that a certain UI concept is old does not make it bad. GNOME 3 tries to do things different for the sake of being different, and it will eventually die because of that, just as Unity did. Cinnamon is much more sane in that regard and it MUST come as an alternative to GNOME 3, otherwise we will have to consider to move away from RHEL based Workstations and servers because of unacceptable user experience.
Would be nice to point to an article that tells you how to install the desktop environment
Just installed RHEL 8.3 on a laptop this afternoon. Still hate the current Gnome.
Also, "No, we won't support Cinnamon or any other desktop environment" is still not a solution.
I've been using KDE Plasma as a replacement for Cinnamon.
It's ok as a user interface and tends to be best when it comes to hardware acceleration support, which can help on weaker hardware with iGPUs (Atoms and NUCs) on my large 4K screen.
Plus it works pretty much across all Linux variants I come in contact with, including a Raspberry PI4 8GB or a Jetson Nano.
On top it even works remotely with x2go and with manageable optical differences across generations and OS brands (e.g. Debian/Ubuntu). Not having to deal with a new desktop metaphor every time I go on a different system help me stay sane.
Of course the bigger issue is that I'm not really using RHEL anyway, but CentOS, because it's less hassle with licenses, especially on short lived setups or VMs. We have the licenses, but I just dislike dealing with that useless cruft. I don't like being forced to do extra work at zero benefit to me.
And there the abandonment of the project just means that I'll be moving away from Redhat alltogether, going for Alma or similar.
First of all, I would like to see Cinnamon on RHEL8 too. But I also think, it is odd to restrict that article to "subscribers" only. I can't access the content from my partner account. I had to change to the account from my customer. Don't you think, partners should access that information?
You should now be able to check the article from your partner account. Please check.
I would like to install Cinamon DE as before with CentOS 7 & yumex :( I did installed it so easily at that time )
I dont understand why " dnf -y groupinstall cinnamon-desktop-environment " works so well with FEDORA ( FC36 ) and not RHEL. I could also install cinnamon DE on Fedora 27 & 28 using dnfdragora and crux widget. And RHEL 8 is supposed to correspond to fc28 Right ?
Q1 : Will RHEL 9 add cinnamon DE ? ( as Gnome 40 is quite a nightmare :) )
Q2 : Does " copr enable stenstorp/cinnamon -y; ... " works ?
At least theoretically should work. On RHEL 8.6 I have installed Cinnamon and MATE desktop with all features from stenstorp. Give a try in a virtual machine.
Michael, it's great you mentioned this. If you want this in Red Hat Linux as a supported alternative, it's good to submit a case. That's generally how Red Hat works.
Regards,
RJ
Honeslty speaking, I don't know why the GNOME is preffered for most distros. Cinnamon and XFCE are more useful as a default desktop.
gnome 3 is an absolute ABOMINATION of a desktop environment, its orders of magnitude worse than unity and that takes some doing.
Cinnamon desktop is probably the only DE available that is both usable and NOT bloatware (plasma).
Why is RH not including this with RHEL 8 ?